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  • #76
    Originally posted by quinner View Post
    Such is life Jembo.......

    Seventeen million....Yes, amazing.....
    I wonder if they have mobility scooters in Tír na nÓg?
    I google because I'm not young enough to know everything.
    Nemo Mortalium Omnibus Horis Sapit

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    • #77
      Originally posted by KatieMorag View Post
      I'm still confused. Do you mean that the post-1921 arrangement was made invalid by membership of the EU?
      EU membership had no impact on the free movement of British and Irish travellers going north and south of the border or between the two islands.

      Quite the opposite, the dismantling of the border in the 1990's was due to the creation of the single customs union and single market - and coincided with the removal of internal borders all across continental Europe. The timing did much to facilitate the successful implementation of the Good Friday Agreement.

      The UK government in it's discussion papers released yesterday has indicated a customs border will be re-introduced post-Brexit when they leave the customs union - with the additional feature that freedom of movement for people between the two countries without a passport will come to an end. At the moment I could fly to Heathrow or take a ferry to Holyhead with just a driver's licence or similar ID - and have done in the past (not such a good idea these days with the increase in airport security). Anyway that's all about to end, if Britain pursues it's plans to exit both the Customs Union and the Single Market in 2019.

      What many don't seem to realise is that the border that existed from 1921 up to the 1990's was only to restrict the movement of goods, not people - and that was bad enough. A post-Brexit border as envisaged by the British will have the second purpose of restricting the free movement of people across the UK's only land border with the EU - and that will have enormous implications for the people of this island - especially those in the border counties.

      The Irish government will oppose such a move - both the EU and the UK are aware of that.
      Last edited by cogito; 16-08-2017, 09:12 AM.
      Everything is self-evident.

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      • #78
        Originally posted by cogito View Post
        EU membership had no impact on the free movement of British and Irish travellers going north and south of the border or between the two islands.

        Quite the opposite, the dismantling of the border in the 1990's was due to the creation of the single customs union and single market - and coincided with the removal of internal borders all across continental Europe. The timing did much to facilitate the successful implementation of the Good Friday Agreement.

        The UK government in it's discussion papers released yesterday has indicated a customs border will be re-introduced post-Brexit when they leave the customs union - with the additional feature that freedom of movement for people between the two countries without a passport will come to an end. At the moment I could fly to Heathrow or take a ferry to Holyhead with just a driver's licence or similar ID - and have done in the past (not such a good idea these days with the increase in airport security). Anyway that's all about to end, if Britain pursues it's plans to exit both the Customs Union and the Single Market in 2019.

        What many don't seem to realise is that the border that existed from 1921 up to the 1990's was only to restrict the movement of goods, not people - and that was bad enough. A post-Brexit border as envisaged by the British will have the second purpose of restricting the free movement of people across the UK's only land border with the EU - and that will have enormous implications for the people of this island - especially those in the border counties.

        The Irish government will oppose such a move - both the EU and the UK are aware of that.

        The Irish then must get on to the EU negotiators and put their case forward......That is if the are allowed to do such a sensible thing......

        They EU will not let them talk directly to the UK government........
        Here Rex!!!...Here Rex!!!.....Wuff!!!....... Wuff!!!

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        • #79
          The EU had the offer and the means to put a stop to ''Brexit''.......Instead they chose to send him home......

          There were opportunities for individual member States to speak up at the time but they chose to let their all-knowing EU Masters make the decisions......nobody was looking to the future outcome.....''The people of the UK will do what we want'' was the attitude taken.......The People of the UK did not do what the EU wanted........
          Here Rex!!!...Here Rex!!!.....Wuff!!!....... Wuff!!!

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