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Old 05-11-2017, 12:03 PM
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Although I rarely post on this forum but given the nature of this subject I feel that all people should be free to discuss this topic given its seriousness.

As a child of a large very family, I was often kept home by my mother to help her when needed.

I liked school and I was a good pupil ahead of the class despite my regular absence, when I was often kept home to help my mother with the younger children.

I could easily have stayed at home and still have learned as much as I would have otherwise done at school as my mother was a good tutor.

My mother had a very larger number of pregnancies of which 9 children survived and I was the third eldest and probably the most dependable in helping her with the younger children.

My mother also had a number of illnesses which culminated in her death at a young age.

To all intents and purposes It was obvious that I had the ability to help my mother as she needed and at the same time learn as much from her, as I would ever ever have learned from a useless curriculum, unsuitable for a nation yet to escape its past in a time when the mail boat and other methods freely transported its people to england and other places further afield. Many of those people were children escaping away from Ireland to relatives elsewhere

Eventually I was fronted to the children's court and I was considered for a placement in an industrial school. My mother collapsed onto the floor and I can still hear her screaming and begging the court to give me another chance which he did, after he eventually warned her to make sure I returned to schooling which I did, and with no effort I passed my the primary exam which I then left school.

I was traumatised by that experience to the degree I could not understand its logic nor could I understand the brutality of its nature to a child helping a sickly mother.

One of my younger brothers was sexually assaulted in Malborough house by one of the "managers" whilst incarcerated for a short time on a stupid offence
which again broke my mothers heart.

My mother went to a source in the media about it but it eventually led to nothing as all crimes in those places were ignored. That brother died a few years later from a then incurable disease. He was 16 years old.

This is not a flippant subject and it should be freely discussed in any forum without restrictions. The "poor" people of Ireland were brutalised by it leaders and it is this reason that we now, when we look back on those brutal times with the madness of the catholic church and the fancifulness of the then well off. who never set foot in those places except if they were from the legal profession or religious orders.
A truly heartfelt post, and very informative to someone who's on the outside looking in like myself. Really brings home the utter stupidity and inherent cruelty of the authorities in Ireland at that time.

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Old 05-11-2017, 12:52 PM
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Although I rarely post on this forum but given the nature of this subject I feel that all people should be free to discuss this topic given its seriousness.
As a child of a large very family, I was often kept home by my mother to help her when needed.
I liked school and I was a good pupil ahead of the class despite my regular absence, when I was often kept home to help my mother with the younger children.
I could easily have stayed at home and still have learned as much as I would have otherwise done at school as my mother was a good tutor.
My mother had a very larger number of pregnancies of which 9 children survived and I was the third eldest and probably the most dependable in helping her with the younger children.
My mother also had a number of illnesses which culminated in her death at a young age.
To all intents and purposes It was obvious that I had the ability to help my mother as she needed and at the same time learn as much from her, as I would ever ever have learned from a useless curriculum, unsuitable for a nation yet to escape its past in a time when the mail boat and other methods freely transported its people to england and other places further afield. Many of those people were children escaping away from Ireland to relatives elsewhere
Eventually I was fronted to the children's court and I was considered for a placement in an industrial school. My mother collapsed onto the floor and I can still hear her screaming and begging the court to give me another chance which he did, after he eventually warned her to make sure I returned to schooling which I did, and with no effort I passed my the primary exam which I then left school.
I was traumatised by that experience to the degree I could not understand its logic nor could I understand the brutality of its nature to a child helping a sickly mother.
One of my younger brothers was sexually assaulted in Malborough house by one of the "managers" whilst incarcerated for a short time on a stupid offence
which again broke my mothers heart.
My mother went to a source in the media about it but it eventually led to nothing as all crimes in those places were ignored. That brother died a few years later from a then incurable disease. He was 16 years old.
This is not a flippant subject and it should be freely discussed in any forum without restrictions. The "poor" people of Ireland were brutalised by it leaders and it is this reason that we now, when we look back on those brutal times with the madness of the catholic church and the fancifulness of the then well off. who never set foot in those places except if they were from the legal profession or religious orders.
narcissus, thank you for sharing your story. My heart hurts for you and your family.
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Old 05-11-2017, 05:12 PM
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narcissus, anto, quinner you have all been touched personally by this blight that hangs over ireland..I cant imagine how your families, you feel, the cause and ripple effect of this goes on for generations....My heart bleeds for you.

The church and state interaction particularly during the 50/70s was horrific and had repercussions and we ask how did this even happen?? easy....Fear....fear of god, fear of the after life, fear of the priests and church....and the huge fear of being called out during mass by the priest and exposed to your neighbors. fear of being refused a sacrament, and fear of losing your children...everyone had their own fear...and when you fear like this in your daily life..its very difficult to look around you and see the fear and help needed by others...

in our family there was a sick mother too and the oldest daughter slated for institutional life because of missed school time...what the judge decided to do was let the daughter move in with an aunt who would guarantee school attendance....which she did...but also what she did was pretty much use the girl as a slave around her own house...whenever the birth mother came to visit or the girl tried to visit her birth mother..some nosy neighbour was always ready and willing to run over and tell the canon burke what was happening..and over hed come like the hobs of hell spouting god honesty and his threats of alter exposure ...was he concerned about the abuse the girl was getting..nope...but he was concerned about her even seeing her own mother...why did the snitch snitch???? because one of her daughters was in england having an illegitimate baby shes already been called out from the alter..and while canon burke was busy watching someone else it took the spot light of her..

Horrible horrible horrible times......

what you guys went thro as families doesnt even bear thinking about and justice for you is very slow coming around....considering the old boys network is still alive and well.....
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Old 05-11-2017, 05:45 PM
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Not really....
It is the whole god-fearing country that is at fault......
The masses bowed to the rapists and sadists and gave them the adoration that allowed them to get away with what they did.......
The propaganda about the Eternal Flames still works, but the real shoite was to give the masses the illusion that if they FOLLOWED they were somehow superior to others......
IMO they were the ''Catholic Nazis''.....and still are.....
I have seen people turn their noses-up at my Mother and actually cross to the other side of the street......
They did that to the kindest woman on this earth......
I agree Joe. Those who turned a blind eye for fear of repercussion were complicit in the abuse of children, unwed mothers and the poor in general. They were covering their own backsides.
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The mindset appears to live on.....with these so called charitable religious people still dishing out their own kind of warped justice.....some neck.

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The mindset appears to live on.....with these so called charitable religious people still dishing out their own kind of warped justice.....some neck.

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/r...ol-812919.html
The are still living in the dark ages. This sort conduct is totally unacceptable. The nun should be denounced and sacked by the RC church.
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The are still living in the dark ages. This sort conduct is totally unacceptable. The nun should be denounced and sacked by the RC church.
Dead right....the oul judgemental birch should keep her nose out.....her likes have a lot to answer for.
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From its re-establishment as a Reformatory in 1940, Daingean was a poor solution to a problem that had been allowed to escalate to crisis proportions. The interests of the boys were not prioritised in the discussions leading up to the opening of Daingean.
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Daingeanís isolation, clearly identified as a problem by Government officials, was regarded as an advantage by the Congregation. Isolating boys from family and friends was part of the ethos of the Institution.
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The lack of clarity with regard to responsibility for maintenance of the buildings in Daingean, identified in the Department of Finance letter, proved to be an on-going problem which contributed to the appalling living conditions of the boys.
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The complainants who gave evidence mainly came from backgrounds of poverty and neglect. Although they all came through the court system, very few of them were hardened criminals. Daingean did not address the special needs and disadvantages of these boys.
The chapel at Daingean.....A hellhole indeed.
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The mindset appears to live on.....with these so called charitable religious people still dishing out their own kind of warped justice.....some neck.

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/r...ol-812919.html
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Old 08-11-2017, 05:34 AM
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Alive and kicking ......sadly .

my daughter was refused a teaching job because at the time her and then boyfriend was not married, a big loss to the school as she`s a great and respected teacher by the students and staff at her school now .[this was maybe ten years ago].
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