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  • #61
    Originally posted by Napper Tandy View Post
    Bigthink.com

    So what ever became of the Bakker-Schut plan ? Presume the Americans took one look at it and told the Dutch to cop on to themselves - after they'd finished laughing at it.

    Interestingly, going by the map it would have been the British Control Zone that would have been affected.
    Everything is self-evident.

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    • #62
      Originally posted by cogito View Post
      So what ever became of the Bakker-Schut plan ? Presume the Americans took one look at it and told the Dutch to cop on to themselves - after they'd finished laughing at it.

      Interestingly, going by the map it would have been the British Control Zone that would have been affected.
      Well if WIKi is correct

      n 1947, the large-scale annexation was rejected by the Allied High Commission, on the grounds that Germany already contained 14,000,000 refugees from the annexations in the east, and that the remaining territory could not handle more refugees. Furthermore, the allies (in particular the Americans) considered it vital to have a stable West Germany in view of the coming Cold War.
      At a conference of foreign ministers of the western allied occupation forces in London (January 14 until February 25, 1947), the Dutch government (Cabinet Beel I) claimed an area of 1,840 km2. This claim included apart from the island Borkum large parts of the Emsland, Bentheim, the cities Ahaus, Rees, Kleve, Erkelenz, Geilenkirchen and Heinsberg and the areas around these cities.
      In 1946, about 160,000 people lived in this area, of whom more than 90% spoke German. This plan was a very simplified version of the C-variation of the Bakker Schut Plan. The KVP considered this proposal much too small, while the CPN rejected any kind of reparations in the form of territorial expansion.
      The London conference of April 23, 1949, only permitted some less far-reaching border modifications. At 12 o'clock of the very same day, Dutch troops occupied an area of 69 km2, the largest parts of which were Elten (near Emmerich am Rhein) and Selfkant. Many other small border corrections were executed, mostly in the vicinity of Arnhem and Dinxperlo. At that time, these areas were inhabited by a total of almost 10,000 people.
      Then in 1963 after the Germans had paid the Dutch 280 million German marks the land was returned except for one hill.

      Luxembourg and Belgium also tried annexing land from Germany. Belgium dropped all claims while Luxembourg received reparations from Germany.

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      • #63
        Originally posted by Napper Tandy View Post
        Well if WIKi is correct



        Then in 1963 after the Germans had paid the Dutch 280 million German marks the land was returned except for one hill.

        Luxembourg and Belgium also tried annexing land from Germany. Belgium dropped all claims while Luxembourg received reparations from Germany.
        280 million DM ?? We should have demanded Münster back...
        Everything is self-evident.

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        • #64
          Originally posted by cogito View Post
          280 million DM ?? We should have demanded Münster back...
          If I remember right.....In 1963 it was 13 marks to the pound.....I used to get paid 26 marks....60 pfennings for twenty cigarettes, five pfennings for a pint and four pfennings for a double Brandy....
          Here Rex!!!...Here Rex!!!.....Wuff!!!....... Wuff!!!

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              • #67
                Originally posted by Napper Tandy View Post
                I believe Murphy means fisherman....So would not be all related....

                Smith is just a trade designation so would not be all related.....
                Here Rex!!!...Here Rex!!!.....Wuff!!!....... Wuff!!!

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                • #68
                  I thought murphy was a potato digger!!....is smiff tops in nord iron as well ??
                  in god i trust...everyone else cash only.

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                  • #69
                    If correct Hawaii is a surprise, not Japanese or Chinese.

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                    • #70
                      From 1946

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by Napper Tandy View Post
                        From 1946

                        Gold...?
                        Here Rex!!!...Here Rex!!!.....Wuff!!!....... Wuff!!!

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by quinner View Post
                          Gold...?
                          just a general map of the bigger gold mines, and other 'precious' metals and gems theres plenty of smaller mines....god bless paddy hannon !!
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                          in god i trust...everyone else cash only.

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                                The mind is everything. What you think you become.

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