Libya and Bahrain

[Red Biddy]

I am totally opposed to the no fly resolutiuon where civilians are sure to be killed. However, if Gaddafi had not ordered his troops to slaughter their own people, it would not have come to this

[Red Biddy]

Sorry to disagree - he is total leader as was the Catholic church in Ireland when I was growing up just as was Dev - do what I say not what I do

[Red Biddy]

Sorry to disagree - he is total leader as was the Catholic church in Ireland when I was growing up just as was Dev - do what I say not what I do. He has been in charge of the country for 40 years - it was my 43rd wedding anniversary yesterday - the majority are fed up with him and want change so he sends his hench men onto the streets to kill them

Grand so, thats everyday life


No

[Rashers]

But Red .......... even if Gaddafi is a bad man ........ is it right to kill a million people to get him .........and destroy the country .......... and rob their oil?

Who's killing a million people and robbing oil?

[Rashers]

Yeah and the bankers were honest men doing the best for the common good. ( Do you ever get the feeling you're being had?)

Yep. I think you might be winding us up.

[Rashers]

Red ........Gaddafi didn't start it .......... it was started by a bunch of thugs....... who tried to attack Tripoli with stolen anti-aircraft guns..... which was beaten back by the people of that city ........ just as in Iraq ....... the west want rid of Gaddafi and they are prepared to kill a million people to get him......... the TV and newspapers are not telling you about the hundreds of people that were hanged from bridges in Benghazi by the rebels. The people of that city are in the grip of the terrorists. They haven't even got a leader that has the guts to speak to press without a mask on.

Thugs to you -- freedom fighters to others perhaps? I'm intrigued by your "million people" and wondering how you're getting news that doesn't appear to be available to the rest of us interested.

If you were ruled by a brutal dictator who imprisons people without any trial would you face a tv camera without being masked?

[Rashers]

Rashers .... Soldiers do what Soldiers do ....... Kosovo is part of Serbia going back six hundreds of years

I my experience soldiers tend to do what their concience allows them to do.

As for Kosovo being part of Serbia for 600 years. We were part of Britain for the same amount of time.... and the difference is?

[Rashers]

No .........I didn't say that revolutions in Egypt and Tunisia were carried out by opportunists .

Read your post #18.

[Rashers]

Never mind all that Rashers ........ you know a lot about military matters ... so answer this ......... why is Israel supporting Gaddafi ........ and why is Iran not supporting him.

Never mind all that? Ahh now I know you're winding us up.

As to knowing about military matters... if Israel is supporting Gadaffi etc.... that's politics, not a military matter. Soldiers are only called upon when the politics fail.

[Rashers]

You misread that Rashers .......

Okay, I'll concede that I possibly misread your meaning.

[Rashers]

The territory belonged to the Serbs who lived there for six hundred years........ not the to Albanians who were immigrants to the country and who then attempted to set-up their own state .......... by that logic Clonskeagh could secede as a Muslim State at some time in the near future.

It just might... but if we have to wait 600 years I dont think we'll be too much bothered.

[Rashers]

I respect your expertise on this Rashers ......... but your experience does not extent to all the other armies in the world...........You wouldn't tolerate any criticism of Irish Soldiers but you are ready to believe that Libyan soldiers are "henchmen" prepared to brutalise their people .......... is that because they are a different colour ........ or is it just because you believe the lies you are told by the media ........... all of which will be proven in the near future ....... the truth always comes out in the end. "Truth is the first casualty in war."

I have never referred to the Libyan armed forces as 'henchmen', nor did I say anything about them brutalising their people... and I ask you to link to any post where I did.

When you don't find that post I must ask you not to quote anything I never said nor implied.

I have no reason to believe that the Libyan armed forces are any different to other such military in any part of the world, and until you mentioned it I did not know that they were of a different colour as I am not racist.

As for media lies. Should I take your observations as gospel? Especally as you misquote me??

In this instance your ending quote is quite apt.

[Rashers]

Yeah Rashers .......... you didn't refer to the Libyan armed forces as 'henchmen', nor did you say anything about them brutalising their people ...... sorry about that ....... must have been another post ....

Most definitely not one of mine.

.... and I'm glad that you extend the same respect to the professional soldiers of Libya as you do to soldiers in other armies ......

To slightly alter James Connelly's words just before he was shot by British soldiers, I respect all men who do their duty according to their lights.

.... and I'm sure you will be disgusted to hear about uniformed policemen carrying out a day's work being strung up on the bridges of Benghazi by the "rebels"......... pictures will come later.

As any civilized person would be... if it were true and the pictures had not been altered.

[Red Biddy]

But Red .......... even if Gaddafi is a bad man ........ is it right to kill a million people to get him .........and destroy the country .......... and rob their oil?

Of course killing innocent people is wrong - tell that to Gaddafi and with regard to the oil, the oil belongs to the people not ourside interests and certainly not to a dictator who appears to have done very well out of the selling of oil - well he did but NOT the general population whose aim at the start was mainly to be given a better livlihood

Calling those who called for a rebellion, and thats just what it is, 'thugs' is using the very same language that was used against those men and women who rose up in 1916 in Ireland - by leaders in the UK at the time. Same as the innocents slaughtered on Bloody Sunday in the North - they were accused of being rabble and thugs

I am opposed to outsider intervention but would you have let Mr Gaddafi, who most people here blame directly for the bomb over Lockerbie - and let us not forget that the man who was convicted of that atrocity, and everyone knew he did not act alone - was released and given a hero's welcome when he returned home - carry on killing his own people indiscriminately?

[Red Biddy]

1. It's well known that the Iranians did Lockerbie
2. He is Colonel Gaddafi ........ not Mr Gaddafi ....... lest someone think you
are talking about the local chipper.
3. Carry on killing his own people indiscriminately? ....... just hearsay ...... he
is very discriminating about who he kills.

1. It is NOT generally accepted that Iran caused the Lockerbie atrocity

2 and 3. A quote from 'Muammar Gadaffi Biography

'He took the title of colonel, and in the 1970s he seemed to have philosophical pretentions, publishing his so-called Green Book of political philosophy and leading Libya in a path of "Islamic socialism" while ruthlessly suppressing dissent.