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  • #46
    Originally posted by neilmoxham View Post
    Well this took ages, mainly because there's very little evidence left of the old adjoining building. I've discovered if you stare at an old stone wall long enough you can find just about any shape or outline you want! Also complicated by the ground levels around about - the old building seems to have started about a foot higher than the tower floor, but now the outside of the tower has been filled with earth to about 5 feet above the tower floor. Makes things very tricky, so these are very rough outlines. Anyway, hope these make sense - there's definitely a very small bit of an old wall jutting out from the tower, and possibly the shape of a doorway, but nothing conclusive. There was another floor inside the tower (probably taken out during renovations c.1916) which could also have connected to the out-building.
    Great stuff Neil....
    Here Rex!!!...Here Rex!!!.....Wuff!!!....... Wuff!!!

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    • #47
      Originally posted by neilmoxham View Post
      Well this took ages, mainly because there's very little evidence left of the old adjoining building. I've discovered if you stare at an old stone wall long enough you can find just about any shape or outline you want! Also complicated by the ground levels around about - the old building seems to have started about a foot higher than the tower floor, but now the outside of the tower has been filled with earth to about 5 feet above the tower floor. Makes things very tricky, so these are very rough outlines. Anyway, hope these make sense - there's definitely a very small bit of an old wall jutting out from the tower, and possibly the shape of a doorway, but nothing conclusive. There was another floor inside the tower (probably taken out during renovations c.1916) which could also have connected to the out-building.
      That's great work there Neil....and it bears out what the history tells..... Remembering the lower part of the building was a basement...likely accessed vis an underground tunnel.....used as a store or pantry / buttery.....and at another time stables.....then a 'workshop' for the maintenance of all the properties owned bt St Anne's Guild people - the Bakers - who would have been very very important in their day......So then, above that we had the accommodation for our priest friend
      Rev Thadey Cor at a later date......and officially known in church records as a messuage called the name "Old Crumlin". and that Thadey built a loft above his digs......Wonder when the Corpo pulled it down.....and they must have blocked off the tunnel as some time as well.
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      We'll sail be the tide....aarghhhh !!

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      • #48
        BTW Neil can you do some more pix of the inside of the church as it is today....I have never been inside it....would love a peep.
        We'll sail be the tide....aarghhhh !!

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        • #49
          So would I

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          • #50
            Originally posted by DAMNTHEWEATHER View Post
            BTW Neil can you do some more pix of the inside of the church as it is today....I have never been inside it....would love a peep.
            Sure thing! Starting with pre-heritage centre (around the 1980s), then looking in through a window at the heritage centre (in the south aisle/St Anne's Guild chapel), then two in the still outdoor chancel & Portlester chapel.
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            • #51
              Originally posted by DAMNTHEWEATHER View Post
              That's great work there Neil....and it bears out what the history tells..... Remembering the lower part of the building was a basement...likely accessed vis an underground tunnel.....used as a store or pantry / buttery.....and at another time stables.....then a 'workshop' for the maintenance of all the properties owned bt St Anne's Guild people - the Bakers - who would have been very very important in their day......So then, above that we had the accommodation for our priest friend
              Rev Thadey Cor at a later date......and officially known in church records as a messuage called the name "Old Crumlin". and that Thadey built a loft above his digs......Wonder when the Corpo pulled it down.....and they must have blocked off the tunnel as some time as well.
              This is great - haven't seen these descriptions before.

              Just about the tunnel though - a study by the Victorian antiquarian Thomas Drew came to the conclusion that there was a tunnel running beneath the current church, based on the fact that there's a blocked-up doorway on the north wall of the church (below the floor level inside the church) leading onto Audoen's Lane. This was the basis for all information on the church up until recently (including some older info displays still seen in the church). Now here's the thing - the area of the heritage centre was excavated in the 1990s and they discovered a big section of cobblestone laneway about three to four feet below the floor, right in line with St Audoen's Arch (they've left this excavation pit exposed for visitors to look at). The archaeologists concluded that this was from about 1200 AD and probably ran straight past the much shorter original church. But - it's too high up to be the floor of a tunnel under the church, yet no tunnel could have existed without disturbing this surface, so the expert conclusion was that there was never a tunnel under the church after all.

              All very confusing, and there's no suggestion as to what the blocked-up doorway actually leads to, if anything. The Church of Ireland did some exploratory work in the 1980s inside the present church and decided there were burial vaults to a depth of about four feet below the floor, but no crypts or larger spaces.

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              • #52
                Originally posted by neilmoxham View Post
                Sure thing! Starting with pre-heritage centre (around the 1980s), then looking in through a window at the heritage centre (in the south aisle/St Anne's Guild chapel), then two in the still outdoor chancel & Portlester chapel.
                Brilliant my friend....well done you....I will get together any other stuff I have and pop it up as you may not already have it. Keep the pix and especially any marks on walls etc that might give hints to stuff long gone.
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                We'll sail be the tide....aarghhhh !!

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by neilmoxham View Post
                  This is great - haven't seen these descriptions before.

                  Just about the tunnel though - a study by the Victorian antiquarian Thomas Drew came to the conclusion that there was a tunnel running beneath the current church, based on the fact that there's a blocked-up doorway on the north wall of the church (below the floor level inside the church) leading onto Audoen's Lane. This was the basis for all information on the church up until recently (including some older info displays still seen in the church). Now here's the thing - the area of the heritage centre was excavated in the 1990s and they discovered a big section of cobblestone laneway about three to four feet below the floor, right in line with St Audoen's Arch (they've left this excavation pit exposed for visitors to look at). The archaeologists concluded that this was from about 1200 AD and probably ran straight past the much shorter original church. But - it's too high up to be the floor of a tunnel under the church, yet no tunnel could have existed without disturbing this surface, so the expert conclusion was that there was never a tunnel under the church after all.

                  All very confusing, and there's no suggestion as to what the blocked-up doorway actually leads to, if anything. The Church of Ireland did some exploratory work in the 1980s inside the present church and decided there were burial vaults to a depth of about four feet below the floor, but no crypts or larger spaces.

                  Great pictures and info Neil, ta very much

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by neilmoxham View Post
                    This is great - haven't seen these descriptions before.

                    Just about the tunnel though - a study by the Victorian antiquarian Thomas Drew came to the conclusion that there was a tunnel running beneath the current church, based on the fact that there's a blocked-up doorway on the north wall of the church (below the floor level inside the church) leading onto Audoen's Lane. This was the basis for all information on the church up until recently (including some older info displays still seen in the church). Now here's the thing - the area of the heritage centre was excavated in the 1990s and they discovered a big section of cobblestone laneway about three to four feet below the floor, right in line with St Audoen's Arch (they've left this excavation pit exposed for visitors to look at). The archaeologists concluded that this was from about 1200 AD and probably ran straight past the much shorter original church. But - it's too high up to be the floor of a tunnel under the church, yet no tunnel could have existed without disturbing this surface, so the expert conclusion was that there was never a tunnel under the church after all.

                    All very confusing, and there's no suggestion as to what the blocked-up doorway actually leads to, if anything. The Church of Ireland did some exploratory work in the 1980s inside the present church and decided there were burial vaults to a depth of about four feet below the floor, but no crypts or larger spaces.
                    Yes I was aware of the cobbled path to the Arch, but the 'workshop' below Tadeys place was supposed to be reached via a tunnel.....from the tower as I understand it. I will double check it and come back to you on the tunnel.
                    We'll sail be the tide....aarghhhh !!

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                    • #55
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                      We'll sail be the tide....aarghhhh !!

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                      • #57
                        Originally posted by neilmoxham View Post
                        Some views from the top of the tower:
                        Thanks for the pics Neil....great.....any more news ?.
                        We'll sail be the tide....aarghhhh !!

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                        • #58
                          The latest renovations around St Audoen's Park uncover part of the cobbles of Keysar's Lane: https://twitter.com/jpr00000/status/963734871834230787
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                          • #59
                            Originally posted by neilmoxham View Post
                            The latest renovations around St Audoen's Park uncover part of the cobbles of Keysar's Lane: https://twitter.com/jpr00000/status/963734871834230787
                            Wow thats brill find Neil Thanks for update.....keep us in the further developments loop.
                            We'll sail be the tide....aarghhhh !!

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                            • #60
                              Originally posted by neilmoxham View Post
                              The latest renovations around St Audoen's Park uncover part of the cobbles of Keysar's Lane: https://twitter.com/jpr00000/status/963734871834230787
                              Great info Neil, thanks

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