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Originally posted by KatieMorag View PostDev cautiously welcomes Irish television, which he compares to atomic energy, capable of both "incalculable good" and "immesurable harm"........from the RTE Archives
http://www.rte.ie/archives/exhibitio...dents-address/Here Rex!!!...Here Rex!!!.....Wuff!!!....... Wuff!!!
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On the 40th anniversary of the deletion of the ‘special position’ of the Catholic Church from the Constitution, Ryle Dwyer examines the article’s origins
PRESIDENT Éamon de Valera signed into law the constitutional amendment abolishing article 44’s recognition of “the special position” of the Catholic Church on Jan 5, 1973. Ironically, the clause dealing with religion had caused de Valera the greatest anxiety in drafting the Constitution in 1937.
He had sought “to produce a constitution which would not require any fundamental change when the unity of Ireland was accomplished”. Subject to “public order and morality”, the proposed constitution guaranteed “fundamental rights”, like freedoms of speech, conscience, association, and assembly, as well as habeas corpus, and the inviolability of one’s home. All citizens were equal before the law, and there was protection against religious discrimination.
Nevertheless, the Constitution accorded closely with Catholic thinking. “The Most Holy Trinity” was described as the source of all authority in the Preamble. The document was drafted with the help of the President of Blackrock College, Dr John Charles McQuaid, who was shortly to become Archbishop of Dublin.
De Valera showed early proofs of the document to some colleagues, who raised strong objections to the religious clause. “The State acknowledges that the true religion is that established by Our Divine Lord Jesus Christ Himself, which he committed to his Church to protect and propagate, as the guardian and interpreter of true morality,” the article read. “It acknowledges, moreover, that the Church of Christ is the Catholic Church.”
Gerry Boland, the Minister for Lands, was appalled. “If this clause gets through as now worded,” he said, “it would be equivalent to the expulsion from our history of great Irishmen.” Protestant patriots like Tone, Emmet and Parnell, would never have lived in Ireland “under such a sectarian constitution”, he argued.
“And I would not live under it either,” Boland added. “I would take my wife and children and put myself out of it.”
We'll sail be the tide....aarghhhh !!
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Originally posted by KatieMorag View PostBeen reading a bit online about Noel Browne's proposed "Mother and Child Scheme" but all I can glean from what I've read so far was that the proposed legislation was designed to improve medical care for children and thus reduce child mortality, and that it was opposed by the Church which led to Browne's resignation. What exactly were the Church objecting to and on what grounds?
I'm not really that up to speed on the finer points of the 1951 resignation of Noel Browne but I do remember reading that Costello had received a letter from McQuaid regarding the Mother and Child Scheme. As Taoiseach, Costello, should have passed this correspondence to his Minister for Health, Noel Browne but he failed to do so or delayed doing so which caused great confusion and ultimately a breakdown in communication between McQuaid and Browne.
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by barefoot View PostYes Katie it is true that Dr Noel Browne tried to have the 'Mother and Child Scheme' put through but it was a Dr James Ryan the first Irish Minister for Health (fianna fail) who put together a new Health Bill 1947. The Bill had made provision for mother and child care. The Irish Medical Association made objections to sections of the Bill at that time. They said their main objection was the fact that it was free to all without a means test. They felt that those who could afford to pay for healthcare should pay. They had their own interests and income to think about I suppose.
I'm not really that up to speed on the finer points of the 1951 resignation of Noel Browne
but I do remember reading that Costello had received a letter from McQuaid regarding the Mother and Child Scheme. As Taoiseach, Costello, should have passed this correspondence to his Minister for Health, Noel Browne but he failed to do so or delayed doing so which caused great confusion and ultimately a breakdown in communication between McQuaid and Browne.We'll sail be the tide....aarghhhh !!
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Originally posted by KatieMorag View Postoh, thanks.......i hadn't really thought of that.
think i've said this before, forgive me if so, but when i asked my mum what a communist was she said it was someone who didn't believe in God! Shows how influenced people were by what the Church said......
growing up and right into the seventies maybe later, there always was a special prayer said at mass on sunday for the conversion of Russia!in god i trust...everyone else cash only.
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Originally posted by cosmo View Postgrowing up and right into the seventies maybe later, there always was a special prayer said at mass on sunday for the conversion of Russia!
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Originally posted by barefoot View PostYes Katie it is true that Dr Noel Browne tried to have the 'Mother and Child Scheme' put through but it was a Dr James Ryan the first Irish Minister for Health (fianna fail) who put together a new Health Bill 1947. The Bill had made provision for mother and child care. The Irish Medical Association made objections to sections of the Bill at that time. They said their main objection was the fact that it was free to all without a means test. They felt that those who could afford to pay for healthcare should pay. They had their own interests and income to think about I suppose.
I'm not really that up to speed on the finer points of the 1951 resignation of Noel Browne but I do remember reading that Costello had received a letter from McQuaid regarding the Mother and Child Scheme. As Taoiseach, Costello, should have passed this correspondence to his Minister for Health, Noel Browne but he failed to do so or delayed doing so which caused great confusion and ultimately a breakdown in communication between McQuaid and Browne.
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Originally posted by quinner View PostNot too long in the future people will be moaning at why Ireland was allowed to become a Muslim Country......It is the people who will decide by accepting it......
We'll sail be the tide....aarghhhh !!
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Originally posted by DAMNTHEWEATHER View PostAhh now ....the call to prayer instead of the angelus bells....that's the sign of change.... Just for you quinner.
Allah be praised.......Here Rex!!!...Here Rex!!!.....Wuff!!!....... Wuff!!!
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Originally posted by DAMNTHEWEATHER View PostAhh now ....the call to prayer instead of the angelus bells....that's the sign of change.... Just for you quinner.
in god i trust...everyone else cash only.
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