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  • Originally posted by cogito View Post
    McGarrity's reference to 'the most practical Fenians ever battling in the heart of England' is about the IRA bombing campaign in mainland Britain in 1939 - an unmitigated disaster for all involved. It marks McGarrity out to be a bit of a headcase himself.
    That's a matter of opinion for sure, and whatever McGarrity was he - unlike Dev - was no hypocrite.

    What's not up for grabs is yet another example of how Dev was happy to shit heavily upon the ilk that had earlier supported him..... after he turned coat to take the Oath he so vociferously rejected.

    You will know all that, but for those readers who may not be aware....

    A few snippets highlighting the true hypocrisy of the man...........

    (Dev) he reacted to news of the signing of the Treaty not with anger at its contents (which he refused even to read when offered a newspaper report of its contents), but with anger over the fact that they had not consulted him, their president, before signing.

    His ideal drafts, presented to a secret session of the Dáil during the Treaty Debates and published in January 1922, were ingenious compromises but they included dominion status, the Treaty Ports, the fact of partition subject to veto by the parliament in Belfast, and some continuing status for the King as head of the Commonwealth. Ireland's share of the imperial debt was to be paid.
    On a speaking tour of the more republican province of Munster, starting on 17 March 1922, de Valera made controversial speeches at Carrick on Suir, Lismore, Dungarvan and Waterford, saying that: "If the Treaty were accepted, [by the electorate] the fight for freedom would still go on, and the Irish people, instead of fighting foreign soldiers, will have to fight the Irish soldiers of an Irish government set up by Irishmen."
    At Thurles, several days later, he repeated this imagery and added that the IRA: "..would have to wade through the blood of the soldiers of the Irish Government, and perhaps through that of some members of the Irish Government to get their freedom." In a letter to the Irish Independent on 23 March de Valera accepted the accuracy of their report of his comment about "wading" through blood, but deplored that the newspaper had published it.
    De Valera objected to the statement of fidelity that the treaty required Irish parliamentarians to take an oath of allegiance to the King.
    Having attracted most of Sinn Féin's branches due to Lemass' organisational skill, the new party made swift electoral gains in the general election on 9 June 1927. In the process, it took much of Sinn Féin's previous support, winning 44 seats to Sinn Féin's five. It refused to take the Oath of Allegiance (portrayed by opponents as an 'Oath of Allegiance to the Crown' but actually an Oath of Allegiance to the Irish Free State with a secondary promise of fidelity to the King in his role in the Treaty settlement).
    Forced into a corner, and faced with the option of staying outside politics forever or taking the oath and entering, de Valera and his TDs took the Oath of Allegiance on 12 August 1927, though de Valera himself described the Oath as "an empty political formula".
    Last edited by DAMNTHEWEATHER; 14-08-2019, 02:37 PM.
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    • Kinell !!!....who was dat ????
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      • Dev Kilmainham Jail visit Easter 1938.
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        • A couple of years ago a group of genealogists searched but could not find any record of Devs birth or his mothers marriage and only some vague references to his probable father

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          • Originally posted by kellier View Post
            A couple of years ago a group of genealogists searched but could not find any record of Devs birth or his mothers marriage and only some vague references to his probable father
            Yep that's true and all is documented in this thread way back...copies of certificates and all. Tim pat Coogan did extensive research on the subject and found many anomalies including altered birth cert, but no record whatsoever of a marriage as was claimed. Who or what was he ....George, Edward or Eamon A comedy imo...the mind boggles.
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            • King Dev l

              Born of an Irish mother and Spanish father in the United States, De Valera would found a family fortune during the War of Independence, rather than after it. While others were fighting the guerrilla war on the mountainsides and back-streets of towns and cities, 'Dev' was in the United States, raising millions of dollars for 'the cause'.

              Controversially, it was mostly contributions from Irish-Americans that eventually provided the finance for the foundation of the Irish Press in 1931. In the decades that followed, the publishing company was controlled by Dev and later his son Vivion, also a Fianna Fail TD, and his grandson, also called Eamon.

              Although the once popular newspapers ceased publishing when the company closed its Burgh Quay operation in 1995, the company still exists, owning Thom's Directory, and reporting an operating loss of €1.3m in its latest returns filed in 2014.

              In his daily life, de Valera lived in some splendour on Cross Avenue - which backs on to his alma mater, Blackrock College - in Bellevue until 1940, and later across the road in Teac Cuilinn, a large stone mansion in extensive grounds, on one of Dublin's most impressive avenues.
              https://www.independent.ie/irish-new...-34318472.html
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              • Originally posted by DAMNTHEWEATHER View Post
                Yep that's true and all is documented in this thread way back...copies of certificates and all. Tim pat Coogan did extensive research on the subject and found many anomalies including altered birth cert, but no record whatsoever of a marriage as was claimed. Who or what was he ....George, Edward or Eamon A comedy imo...the mind boggles.
                The man from Atlantis...
                Here Rex!!!...Here Rex!!!.....Wuff!!!....... Wuff!!!

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                • Originally posted by quinner View Post
                  The man from Atlantis...
                  The tosser from new york.
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                  • Originally posted by DAMNTHEWEATHER View Post
                    The tosser from new york.
                    Irish people loved him......
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                    • Originally posted by quinner View Post
                      Irish people loved him......
                      They obviously ignored his big swizz with the US Irish Bond money.

                      The story of the bonds didn’t end there, however. About $2.5 million of the deposits were sent to the Irish government in 1922 but de Valera held on to the remainder in the US, along with $600,000 which had been raised in the second bond drive without O’Mara.

                      The Free State government took legal action, and in 1927 a New York court ruled that the bondholders should be repaid, at a rate of 58c for each $1.

                      What happened next was probably one of the greatest strokes in Irish politics. De Valera contacted the bondholders directly asking them to sign over the bonds to him so he could set up the Irish Press . Many did, or had forms signed on their behalf by next of kin. When de Valera came to power in 1932 he pushed legislation through the Dáil saying bondholders would receive, not just the 58c, but an additional 67c from the Exchequer making it $1.25 in all.


                      De Valera used the cash windfall to buy shares, along with his son Vivion, in the Irish Press . “While the exact number of bonds converted has never been made public, the money de Valera received from the transfer was crucial as start-up capital,” notes Mark O’Brien in his history of that newspaper , De Valera, Fianna Fáil and the Irish Press .

                      Adding intrigue to the affair was the fact de Valera kept his huge family shareholding in the Press secret until Noel Browne exposed it in the Dáil in the late 1950s.
                      Read; De Valera: Long Fellow, Long Shadow By Tim Pat Coogan

                      Read "Money for Ireland" by Francis M Carroll.

                      And more.....
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                      • Whatever reticence existed in Government circles in 1922 towards handing the country over to the Catholic church, was slowly silenced by the growing influence ofthe hierarchy during the 1920s. When Eamon De Valera (Dev) came to power in 1932, “Holy Catholic Ireland” was already a work in progress of the Church. Dev was not just an obedient Catholic but also an ideological fellow traveller. He was deeply conservative in his social outlook particularly in his views of how a Catholic family should live and the clearly defined roles for the different genders. From 1932 onwardsIreland effectively became a Theocracy in all but name. The institutions and the networks they centered, prospered for many decades and the sheer weight of the Church acting as a conservative brake on social progress would see the last of the Institutions survive right up to the mid 1990s. The Church’s power finally began to wane in the late 1970s but it took another decade before the absolute power of the Catholic Church finally dissolved in the early 1990s in a wave of dark and inhuman revelations. Their former partners in Government were at the same time mired in multiple corruption scandals. The Church/State duolith dam broke entirely and Ireland was liberated from all moral leadership just as tsunami of US investment and EUgrants poured billions into Ireland. The Celtic Tiger modernised a nouveau riche Ireland bereft of genuine, ethical leadership and that brought it’s own problems. In many ways, Ireland is still paying a heavy price for the sins of the Fathers.The appalling crimes against humanity across the entire system, but focused in the Mother and Baby homes, are the last dirty secret of Holy Catholic Ireland. And the biggest.
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